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Post by Christian on Mar 9, 2004 23:47:56 GMT 1
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skunk
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Post by skunk on Mar 10, 2004 7:08:48 GMT 1
Thank you Christian.
Those quads are very nice. I'll probably cannibalize the riders though...
When did Siku begin 1/87 models? Judging by the serial numbers (1870 etc.) it must have been fairly recent?
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stanhas87
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Post by stanhas87 on Mar 10, 2004 7:17:09 GMT 1
Dear Sirs:
I was aware that Guisval had a motorcycle series,but I did knew up to now that some of these were 1/87 scale. Do they intend to mold vehicles at this scale? (trucks,perhaps) ?
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Post by Christian on Mar 11, 2004 2:10:44 GMT 1
Do they intend to mold vehicles at this scale? (trucks,perhaps) ? They already do, quite many actually. Those trucks tend to fall under the 'toy' category though.
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Post by Marc S. on Mar 13, 2004 18:07:33 GMT 1
I don't think that Schuco sells the Boley models as their own developments; I just think that MAZ got something slightly wrong. I talked with Schuco about "their" U.S. trucks in Nuremberg, and they freely admitted that these are Hongwell models which are developed for and distributed by Boley. They also confirmed that their Peterbilt is from one of the beer-truck manufacturers, probably High Speed of China. When nobody asks, however, they will rather keep this information for themselves. The same goes for the Volvo construction equipment by Motorart, which will be sold by Boley and may or may not be distributed by Schuco. These items are produced by Hongwell, too. MAZ apparently does not know the Motorart brand or found these models at the other booths at Nuremberg (Hongwell, Boley), so they just printed the information they got from Schuco: that there will eventually be a construction-equipment series MAZ attributed to Schuco.
Marc S.
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Post by Marc S. on Mar 13, 2004 18:16:51 GMT 1
Skunk,
You asked when Siku started their line of 1/87th scale models. It was only last year that they labelled that series M87, probably to get H0-gauge model railroaders' attention. The first model goes back to late 2001, a MAN Lion's Star coach which is quite close to 1/87th. In 2002, there was only the occasional MAN TGA model, but in 2003, Siku branded the line "M87" and offered a really nice Freightliner Coronado, a Neoplan Cityliner bus, a Nooteboom lowboy, and other models. In 2004 and future years, the series will be expanded by passenger cars as well.
Marc S.
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Post by Christian on Mar 13, 2004 21:35:49 GMT 1
I don't think that Schuco sells the Boley models as their own developments; I just think that MAZ got something slightly wrong. Ok, I am aware of that, but lets be honest here: Schuco simply tries to make easy money, especially with their 1/87 line (re: oversized Porsche et al). Note the 'making money' part is not the point here. I am merely implying that clever customers will avoid the repackaged models. BTW: Welcome Marc!
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Post by Hans on Mar 13, 2004 22:01:34 GMT 1
About the Schuco-theme: I would be really interested to get knowledge about the intentions of their program. In Nuremberg they presented for the third time a large passenger car program without a real new model-excepted the Porsche Carrera GT. If they are also interested in collectioners, this is a bad strategy, if they intend to make cheaper cars as good toys in order to get more children to play with little cars again, it´s perhaps another thing. I can´t imagine, that this is a licence problem (we discussed it already in another thread), because they should have to pay fees to BMW, Mercedes and so on like they would have to do it to other firms. Does anyone has informations about the background of their model selection?
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stanhas87
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Post by stanhas87 on Mar 14, 2004 4:07:25 GMT 1
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Post by Marc S. on Mar 14, 2004 13:47:06 GMT 1
Hans,
Schuco's 1/87th scale range is a no-risk decision: They will do the cars that sell very well as as prototypes in Germany, hence only BMWs, Mercs, Porsches, VWs, and Audis. People know these, and they buy these as models, too. Last year, they told me that the rather special (in this context, special means something like a Toyota or a Chevy) vehicles of their Hongwell-sourced 1/72nd scale range did not work as well as the cars of German premium brands. The strategy behind the Edition 1:87 appears to be covering the toy market (at Siku/Matchbox prices) and to get through to model railroaders looking for that cheap background model at the same time. I don't think these are meant as collector's items. That may change over time, as Schuco recognizes quality is an issue and that there is a 1/87th scale collector's market which is willing to buy Schucos if they just made the right model. The Carrera GT is the first attempt into unique models, and there might eventually come more if this one proves succesful.
Regards, Marc S.
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Post by Marc S. on Mar 14, 2004 13:49:54 GMT 1
Christian, Thanks for the kind welcome! I am merely implying that clever customers will avoid the repackaged models. At 9.95 euros (Schuco's suggested retail price) rather than 12.95 to 15.95 (Boley/Cars & Co. in Germany) I have a vague idea what the clever customer will do ;-) Marc
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Post by Christian on Mar 15, 2004 1:12:14 GMT 1
At 9.95 euros (Schuco's suggested retail price) rather than 12.95 to 15.95 (Boley/Cars & Co. in Germany) I have a vague idea what the clever customer will do ;-) Marc - see my post #249.
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