stanhas87
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Post by stanhas87 on Jan 17, 2004 17:59:12 GMT 1
Dear Joe:
I hope so! The result will be similar with the MCW's London Taxi!
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Post by h0collector on Jan 18, 2004 22:24:44 GMT 1
I will not mention any particular worst model in 1/87, but in general I will say that the worst models are the ones which claims to be in 1/87 scale, but have totally wrong dimensions to be in 1/87 (either too small or too big).
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skunk
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Post by skunk on Jan 22, 2004 17:16:09 GMT 1
Funny, that one (EKO VW Beetle) is a copy of a Wiking model as far as I know. I just happened to get an EKO VW, and I'll have to agree that this must be the worst H0 model ever made. If it is based on a Wiking model I'll eat my trousers. The thing looks like a Bond Bug more than anything else.
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Post by Christian on Jan 22, 2004 17:28:27 GMT 1
If it is based on a Wiking model I'll eat my trousers. Fries with that? ;D Eko did copy a lot, or so it seems to me. I would need both models to be certain, though.
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stanhas87
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Post by stanhas87 on Jan 22, 2004 22:34:15 GMT 1
Dear Sirs:
I have both,and they seem alike................Eko also did offer a military anphibious vehicle.I wonder who they copy on that one..........
By the way:did someone saw the New-Ray HO'S? These are not that great,either.................
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Post by superba on Jan 23, 2004 13:27:43 GMT 1
Speaking about bad HO, Have you seen the Boley VW Beetle or Chevy Caprice?
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stanhas87
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Post by stanhas87 on Jan 23, 2004 16:28:09 GMT 1
Dear Joe: The trucks from Boley are great;their cars are not.Even their Plymouth Fury is a bad copy ( from Busch,I gather).The Caprice was originally done by Kinsmart and measures well against Busch's one.
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Post by gkjsooley on Jan 23, 2004 20:24:36 GMT 1
Perhaps my biggest diappointment is Norev's re-issue of their old 1/87 line. I know the forms are old, but they could have improved then - the front wheels on my Simca1300/1500 and Renault 8 Gordini don't fit properly - the cars look like they have broken suspensions!
I have to agree on the general opinion of EKO - a great variety in the range (old Saab, Skoda, Fiat/Seat, Jeeps, and US models etc...), if only they'd improve their forms and the dreadful quality of the plastic! Then again, at least they are cheap. BTW, my first 1/87 model was a mint green EKO Ford FK van! I was nine or ten years old...
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Post by Sylvain on Jan 23, 2004 21:14:55 GMT 1
I won’t be so hard about Norev’s re-issues. There something in them I really like (perhaps the choice of colours and the quality of the paints, a big problem with some other manufacturers). But I can understand the disappointment. They’re really not up-to-date.
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Post by BillC on Jan 23, 2004 21:58:31 GMT 1
Dear Christian: I am very sorry,but Dodge has a very interesting history:it was founded around 1914 by the Dodge Brothers who worked for Henry Ford and left in order to found their own car company.By the 1920's it was acquired by the Chrysler Corporation and was always the main brand from this Company.Their cars were very reliable and long lasting.A Mexican rebel used one and served him very well.It was only by the 1970's that their cars earned their trashy reputation but up to 1960's,their cars were known to be reliable-yet very staid;their Muscle cars were one the most powerful ever and they also built the most fast police car-the 1969 Dodge Polara-which was clocked by the CHP at 148 mph;rumor had that these could go up to 160,but the agency always denied that. And then there is the winged 1969 Daytona.The Nascar version could go as fast as 220 mph,thanks to the Hemi Engine.Things went by the drain by the 1970's.It was the Dodge division that launched the minivan.Chrysler is the luxury brand,such as the Maybach today and Plymouth was the basement division. Dodge was the only division from Chrysler to offer trucks.There was the Fargos,but these were mostly 'badge engineering' and mostly were Canadian based.Plymouth offered trucks-light ones-briefly in the 1940's,late 1970's and early 1980's.Chrysler never did offered any kind of trucks;their minivan-the Le Baron-debuted sometime in the 1990's ( the Voyager was from Plymouth,but the brand was even LESSER known elsewhere).As Plymouth expired,the Voyager became a Chrysler minivan and the brand was offering two of these vehicles.Equally,Chrysler had a very limited amount of police cars;mostly were either Dodge or Plymouth;the latter held 80% of the market by 1978 (now the Ford Crown Vic is alone-somehow-at that field) De Soto,on the other hand,built very fine taxi cabs.Turkey had the Dolmuses-and these were late 1940's De Sotos;some of these were running at the mid 1980's.If I am not wrong,now this service is operated by Japanese minibuses.De Soto and Plymouth were good competitors to the Checker and that may be the reason why the Turkish called their truck De Soto. I know that the US is the only country that a company has car divisions,but some of these were historically important.Oldsmobile-who got on business by 1897-was the first company that introduced mass production of cars;not Ford as everybody believes. Olds,along with Buick-which comemorated 100 years in 2003-were the cornerstone of GM. Mercury on the other hand is the 'artificial' make,as were De Soto and Plymouth.Yet,the latter also has a good amount of history at its heels.................... Actually, Dodges were used to chase a Mexican rebel. U.S. Army general "Black Jack" Pershing used Dodge Touring cars to chase down Pancho Villa in 1916, marking the first time motorized vehicles had been used in an American military operation. The Dodge Brothers, who were both wealthy, owned large shares of Ford Motor Company. They led a shareholder's revolt against Henry Ford when he announced he was going to build the giant River Rouge plant. Ford bought out all the shareholders and took the company private. Ford remained privately-owned until 1956. John and Horace Dodge both died in the same year. Walter Chrysler bought Dodge from their widows for $146 million, at that time, the largest sum that had ever been paid for an automobile company. Plymouth did have a line of light trucks in the 1970s, they were rebadged Dodges. DeSoto and Mercury were not the only "Invented" brands. When Oakland failed in the 1920s, the first Pontiac was built out of Chevrolet parts. General Motors vice-president Charles Mott came up with the Pontiac name. Earlier question: Why does Herpa class the new Mini as a BMW instead of a Rover? Because that's what it is. The new Mini was developed while BMW owned Rover. When BMW sold Rover to Phoenix, it kept the Mini name and the factory at Longbridge.
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skunk
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Post by skunk on Jan 23, 2004 22:22:22 GMT 1
Dear Sirs: I have both (EKO's and Wikings VW bug models) ,and they seem alike. Maybe there are two different molds of EKO Beetles? I'll take a pic and attempt to post it.
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stanhas87
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Post by stanhas87 on Jan 23, 2004 22:58:25 GMT 1
Dear Sirs: I always thought that Pancho Villa had a Dodge and that is the reason why that make is so respected in Mexico.I was wrong at both counts. I knew all the other details.Walter Chrysler had problems acquiring the Dodge Brand and they were well involved at Ford.And I did not stated that Mercury and De Soto WERE the only ones 'artificial makes'.......... Dear Skunk: That will be the best way to do it.Try the catalogs from both manufacturers or photos from both models,side by side.
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Post by Christian on Jan 23, 2004 23:35:53 GMT 1
Maybe there are two different molds of EKO Beetles? The sedan and convertible are potentially different toolings, and especially the convertible's windshield pillars resemble Wiking's interpretation.
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Post by cfesmire on Jan 24, 2004 0:16:43 GMT 1
Which is the worst 1/87 model Do large trucks count? Herpa's Peterbilt is pathetic. I have a problem with most Eko and then there are a variety of resin manufacturers that start out with a great model and try to sell you a piece that has been made well past the life of the mould. So what is the worst? Well, you never know.
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stanhas87
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Post by stanhas87 on Jan 24, 2004 2:56:24 GMT 1
Dear Sirs:
Well,it comes back to 'some are well done,some are not models'.Historically,it was these bad models that forced the manufacturers to do better ones due to the collectors complaints and/or the ability of some individuals to do something better.
Yes,it is out of the subject,but that is the history of the very influencial NMRA and collectors nationwide ( in the US) were benefited thanks to them.
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