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Post by jeanmarc on Dec 18, 2003 22:23:23 GMT 1
Sylvain, MPC american models are probably slightly under the HO scale, but some of european are bigger (see the Austin Mini for example)….among the 50 to 100 different models produced there might exist some models at the proper 1/87 ?… The models from MFM are much better than the Jouef (it was difficult to as worst ;D)….MFM range is interesting on this point of view (rare prototype models) .
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Post by stanhas87 on Dec 22, 2003 16:49:31 GMT 1
Dear Sirs: I agree that the worst models are the ones that were not made and there is a multitude of the same models being made.At first,I thought that EKO made their cars with not so much detail;yet,however they made such vehicles as the JEEP Wagon and FC series pick-up,Skoda ( I think that is the Octavia),Borgward ( it does not come close to the ones from Viking),FIAT multipla van and so on.Hence,at least they modeled vehicles that no one bothered-even now-to reproduce. On the other hand,New Ray modeled the first chinese HO cars.They were toys of course;yet,again they reproduced the crew-cab toyota pick-up and JEEP Dakar concept car.Again,it is that case of 'worst' against 'someone tried to do it' and frankly I really prefer the later.I also find the first HOs fascinating because these paved the way for the models that we know now.As an example,the Fords from Varney are almost as good as their Alloy froms or CMW counterparts.
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Post by mazwoolley on Jan 2, 2004 19:57:13 GMT 1
My worst 1/87th is the EKO VW. This is wrong from any angle at all. The rear slope is wrong, the bonnet is flat, and the whole profile looks like it has been in an accident and badly re-assembled. Still it is a very old model...
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Post by Alan on Jan 2, 2004 20:53:33 GMT 1
EKO? Ugh! I have a couple of those, a Citroen DS 19 and a SAAB 96. Still, they are good enough for my salvage yard scene! By the way, welcome to the board, mazwoolley. It's nice to see a fellow compatriate on this board at last! ;D
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Post by stanhas87 on Jan 3, 2004 0:40:30 GMT 1
Dear Alan:
In all,EKO does not have this much detailing or their protos are wrong yet they have a good amount of different vehicles.Some of these,such as the Jeep Willys Wagon/Estate and the FC series Pick-Up were not reproduced by anyone yet.Too bad their detailing is so out.Is worth also to give a look at the HO's made by New Ray.Not this much detail but two 'unique' models were offered:the Toyota pick-up crew cab and the Jeep Dakar Show Truck.
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Post by superba on Jan 3, 2004 14:29:26 GMT 1
EKO model are pretty awful, but I have always liked them. They have always offered more American cars than any other HO scale producer. They are best for kit bashing.
The 59 Plymouth Wagon and 59 DeSoto can be kit bashed into a 59 Plymouth Four door hardtop.
Don't discount MPC, I have made a very nice 1959 Rambler American using the MPC Nash Convertable as a base.
EKO and MPC may not have the best models, but they certainly have potential as kit bashing candidates
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Post by stanhas87 on Jan 3, 2004 18:58:33 GMT 1
Dear Superba:
Which MPC are you talking about?The ones in 1/24 scale? Did they produced HO's?
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Post by Sylvain on Jan 4, 2004 13:03:06 GMT 1
EKO model are pretty awful, but I have always liked them. Joe, Like you, I like the EKO models and for the same reasons. By the way, I suppose you’re talking about replacing the front of a 1959 DeSoto Diplomat by the one of a 1959 Plymouth Suburban? That’s one of the few kit-bashing models I’ve done. In fact, not very far from how real Diplomat models were produced, no?
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Post by superba on Jan 4, 2004 18:52:11 GMT 1
Yes that's the conversion I am talking about. The DeSoto Diplomat and Canadian Dodges used Plymouth bodies with their respective namesakes front end.
No DeSoto Diplomats were sold in the US. A Diplomat is obviously an export model.
An interesting point, Chrysler stopped marketing Desoto cars in the US in November 1960, very few 61's were made. I believe that many 1961 Dodge Darts sold in Europe were badged as DeSoto Diplomats. Chrysler did use the Desoto name outside of the US for many years.
In the Late eighties I saw a new Renault based truck in Bemuda badged as a DeSoto. I don't know if DaimlerChrysler is producing DeSoto trucks or licensing the name
In terms of MPC, a different company in the US made small plastic cars with molded fixed wheels. Two types seemed to be available, Early fifities cars and a series of 1961 cars mostly American.
As a kid I remember them as usually being "give aways" at kids birthday parties.
I have also found some late sixty models a Dodge Charger and Pontiac Gran Prix versions. They are not identified as MPC cars but are very similar.
They are usually smaller than HO, are very inaccurate in appearence but still worth noting. Just do a search on EBAY, I usually type "Plastic Cars" and I am sure you will find some at auction
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Post by Sylvain on Jan 4, 2004 19:06:31 GMT 1
No DeSoto Diplomats were sold in the US. A Diplomat is obviously an export model. That’s just the answer to one question I’ve wanted to ask you. I’ve understood that DeSoto Diplomat and Dodge Kingsway were only export models and not available in the USA, but I wasn’t sure. Thanks.
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Post by superba on Jan 4, 2004 19:24:58 GMT 1
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Post by Sylvain on Jan 4, 2004 19:36:28 GMT 1
Does anybody know who makes these? JOUEF, our French popular HO trains manufacturer. The yellow car is a Simca Ariane, the 2 grey in the rear are 403 Peugeot, the red is a DS 19, the blue a 203 Peugeot and the 2 grey in the front Panhard Dyna. They were cars to put on their STVA wagons, especially for night trains like the "Provence - Côte d’Azur". Most French boys of the 60’s and 70’s have dreamed to get this train for Christmas.
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Post by stanhas87 on Jan 4, 2004 19:58:04 GMT 1
Dear Superba:
I do not know about the Renault looking vehicle,but the De Soto name was used on locally-built truck made in Turkey and yes,these were related to Chrysler.I do not know if these still in production,but this book from the late 90's that I have indicate that these were still being made.
I know also that the Soto Diplomat was an export model.The only detail that I know is that these are De Sotos with Plymouth front ends.
Thanks about the MPC info.I have some of these in my collection,and I was confused about them.One of these is a Studebaker Lark,Black Color.
The name De Soto was used on trucks in other countries than Turkey,mostly at the Middle East.Hence,there may be the Renault Connection.Further,Renault trucks were sold as Dodges in the UK.
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Post by superba on Jan 4, 2004 20:40:51 GMT 1
I have an MPC Lark, Its seems close to 1/87 but the Anguplas Lark although far from perfect is clearly better than the MPC.
I seen Dodge trucks (lorries) in london badged as Commers. Are Dodge trucks made outside the US part of DaimlerChrysler or were they spun off. I had heard that DaimlerChrysler could not sell Dodge cars in Europes due to license issues.
Joe
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Post by stanhas87 on Jan 4, 2004 21:27:49 GMT 1
Dear Superba:
According to the 'World Encyclopedia of Trucks,published in 2000 ( when DaimlerChrysler was already formed):
Chrysler Sanayi AS ( turkish) began building Dodge trucks in 1964 and these had locally built bodies and had either Chrysler,De Soto or Fargo nameplates;there a photo of the Fargo version and this has a very distinctive body.The factory STILL produces Heavy.Medium and Light trucks. Also the book states that initially,and up to the 1960's,these trucks were the result of 'badge engineering'.Consequently,Dodge and Fargo trucks were marketed as De Soto in the other countries.For a good while,British Dodge trucks had the De Soto badge in Australia and New Zealand.
Since the turkish operation seems to be active (the factory is located in Istanbul) I will conclude that they are part of DaimlerChrysler Group.
That is not a small wonder,because this group acquired Freightliner,American La France,Ford Aeromax body (Sterlings),Thomas built buses,Setra Highway buses,Orion Buses and has the Chrysler's connections with Mitsubishi,specially the Fuso (buses,trucks) division.
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