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Post by h0collector on Jan 24, 2004 18:11:43 GMT 1
Dear Bjarte,Sylvian: I agree about the Imperial! By 1957 to the early 1960's,it was the classiest luxury cars one could get. The De Soto Diplomat was an export model.De Soto model,Plymouth front grille. Dear STANHAS87; Sounds reasonable that the Spanish make Eko did a Diplomat, French Dinky Toys also had this Diplomat in ca. 1/48 scale, several Eko's seems to be scaled-down models from British and French Dinky Toys' models, re their 1960 Chevrolet El Camino, which also the British Dinky made. You are right about the Plymouth grilles on the Diplomats, but I can hardly imagine the grille on Eko's Diplomat to be a Plymouth (could be a 1960 - no, I don't think so). Anyway, the Eko "Diplomat" is a strange model, and is probably a reason why I got tired of my '57 Imperial project then.
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Post by stanhas87 on Jan 24, 2004 18:18:46 GMT 1
Dear Bjarte:
Read Sylvians entry above.He is right abouth that.De Soto Diplomat is a PLYMOUTH with a De Soto grille.Some time ago,American car companies had what the called the export models,and these cars would have unique features as compared with the domestic products.The same apllied to cars destined to Canada (eg Ford Meteor,a Ford with Mercury details).
Do you think that the Heljan/Revell Imperial could help you?
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Post by Sylvain on Jan 24, 2004 18:26:10 GMT 1
I can hardly imagine the grille on Eko's Diplomat to be a Plymouth No, Eko’s DeSoto Diplomat has an accurate 1959 DeSoto’s grille and front, but the rest of the body is of a 1959 Plymouth. DeSoto Diplomat were export models, not available in the USA, designed and build for export markets. As Kingways for Dodge, they were Plymouth models with DeSoto fronts. That’s why EKO DeSoto, as Dinky Toys one, is an accurate model, but not a real American car But using an EKO Plymouth Station wagon and a DeSoto Diplomat and a little work (that’s even I have done), you can obtain a real 1959 Plymouth.
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Post by h0collector on Jan 24, 2004 18:41:11 GMT 1
Well, as we were talking about it with Joe a few messages ago, Eko’s DeSoto looks more like a Plymouth, as Diplomat models were Plymouth cars with DeSoto fronts. But that’s another story. Not a bad idea to use it to obtain an Imperial. I’ve used it to make a 1959 Plymouth Sedan and I think I will may be try to make a 1959 DeSoto Station wagon of it. I’ve realised a few days ago that 1959 DeSoto and Plymouth Station wagons are much in common. Dear Sylvain. I agree with you that there a lot of similarities between the many Mopar lines of that time. For example, in 1957, Chrysler Corp. made chassises with 4 different (standard) wheelsbases: Chrysler: 126 inches DeSoto: 122 and 126 inches Dodge: 122 inches Plymouth: 118 and 122 inches The models shared many parts and sheet metal i.e., so these is a lot of possibilities in the Eko Plymouth/DeSoto 1/87 models.... I like your idea to kitbash a '59 Suburban with a Diplomat to get a '59 Plymouth 4-door (I have only cut off the rear part of the Suburban roof to get some 4-doors ( + Taxis, Police, Fire etc.), but these are made in a hurry ).
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Post by h0collector on Jan 24, 2004 18:52:35 GMT 1
Dear Sylvain. I agree with you that there a lot of similarities between the many Mopar lines of that time. For example, in 1957, Chrysler Corp. made chassises with 4 different (standard) wheelsbases: Chrysler: 126 inches DeSoto: 122 and 126 inches Dodge: 122 inches Plymouth: 118 and 122 inches The models shared many parts and sheet metal i.e., so these is a lot of possibilities in the Eko Plymouth/DeSoto 1/87 models.... I like your idea to kitbash a '59 Suburban with a Diplomat to get a '59 Plymouth 4-door (I have only cut off the rear part of the Suburban roof to get some 4-doors ( + Taxis, Police, Fire etc.), but these are made in a hurry ). Sorry folks, I forgot to include the '57 Imperial's w.b.; Imperial: 129 inches (standard) and 149.5 inches (Crown Imperial)
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Post by Sylvain on Jan 24, 2004 18:54:41 GMT 1
I have only cut off the rear part of the Suburban roof to get some 4-doors Much simpler than that. Just cut the front of the DeSoto and the front of the Plymouth just before the front doors. Then put the front of the Plymouth on the DeSoto body and you obtain a 1959 Plymouth Fury sedan. Of course, it’s too short for HO scale, and you still need to complete the grille and there is a small work on the side mouldings. But I like the model obtained. As a matter of fact, I’ve seen once a website of someone doing the same operation on real cars! ;D
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Post by h0collector on Jan 24, 2004 19:00:19 GMT 1
Much simpler than that. Just cut the front of the DeSoto and the front of the Plymouth just before the front doors. Then put the front of the Plymouth on the DeSoto body and you obtain a 1959 Plymouth Fury sedan. Of course, it’s too short for HO scale, and you still need to complete the grille and there is a small work on the side mouldings. But I like the model obtained. As a matter of fact, I’ve seen once a website of someone doing the same operation on real cars! ;D Dear Sylvain - thanks a lot for nice tip! I think the Eko Diplomat (Plymouth) is not that out of scale. (I cannot find any Diplomats here I'm sitting now, but how long is this model (and wheelbase) ? Remember, the Plymouths had only 118'' w.b.)
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Post by h0collector on Jan 24, 2004 19:06:01 GMT 1
Dear Sylvain - thanks a lot for nice tip! I think the Eko Diplomat (Plymouth) is not that out of scale. (I cannot find any Diplomats here I'm sitting now, but how long is this model (and wheelbase) ? Remember, the Plymouths had only 118'' w.b.) To be more specific: the Plymouth sedans had 118'' w.b., while the Suburbans (wagons) had 122'' w.b.
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Post by superba on Jan 25, 2004 2:08:43 GMT 1
Sylvain: You are correct there are significant differences with the rear fenders and fins on the Custom and Fairlane models If you want want a four door, then modified the Marx 57 Country Squire. Its a better way to go. The resin four door that I cast was based on the Marx model cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=484&item=3169482409Sylvain, you chould be able to compare very soon. In terms of a 57 Imperial, the best way to go is to modify a the 61 Revell Imperial. Unlike its corporate sibblings, the Imperial did not get a new Uni-body design in 1960. Take a look at the Windshield of a 1957 and a 1966, they are essentially the same.
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Post by Sylvain on Jan 25, 2004 3:08:10 GMT 1
thanks a lot for nice tip! You’re welcome. I’ve done this kit bashing operation. Really easy to do. If you want, I can send you a picture of the model obtained.
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Post by stanhas87 on Jan 25, 2004 6:28:40 GMT 1
Dear Sirs:
I am happy that Siku is doing 1/87 models;this is one of my favorite diecasts,along with Schuco.I also like the cars and Trucks (older ones) from Maisto.
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Post by skunk on Jan 25, 2004 14:07:11 GMT 1
A little off subject, but I have never understood the almost god like following of the 57 Chevy. In 57, the Chevy was basically a rehashed 55 with fins attached. In comparison the 57 Chrylser and Ford products were all new for 57, they were longer, lower and wider with intergrated fins. They were far more advance then the GM's Joe This may well be why modellers (and 1/1 scale collectors) love the 57 Chevys - it was the last, presumably perfected embodiment of an era of car design. To someone in '57 it may have looked old-fashioned, but a collector today compares it with a '55 Chrysler or Ford product and sees a car superior in every aspect. A '57 Chevy is 1955 American car perfection, just like a 1956 Citroën Traction Avant is the perfect 1930's car. Speaking of favorite models (on topic, and to tease Sylvain), I just got a white metal Alloy Forms Chevy Nomad off the shelf in Denver. I can't wait to build it.
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Post by superba on Jan 25, 2004 18:28:38 GMT 1
Skunk, I would make the argument that even a 55 Chrysler with its "Foward Look" design is more modern looking than the 57 Chevy.
On alloy form, I just pickup a 55 Belair of EBAY, Its really is a nice kit. the details are better than the new Mini Metal Chevy.
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Post by Sylvain on Jan 25, 2004 20:13:52 GMT 1
I’ve got both Alloy Forms model, the Nomad and the Bel-Air Hardtop Coupe. Both are fine, better than CMW, much better than Auto-Replica or Williams ones. May be a slight problem in the hardtop roofline. The 1957 Nomad was available through Focus, but I’ve never seen it. Here is a good website about 1955 to 1957 Chevrolet. Fine to know the different colours available in those years, when you want to build a kit. www.55-57chevys.com/coccc/showroom.html
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Post by only87 on Feb 16, 2004 5:01:34 GMT 1
This is the car I like most from my collection: Picture removed --> The picture wasn't working out all the time. The direct link is: singular.piranho.de/charger.jpgIt's an 1970 Dodge Charger Daytona of unknown origin (at least for me). It's my favourite altough the wing is missing because it is so undecided between some queer fantasy and a reasonable model. If you look at it from the top it's very well detailled and the shape is also well done. From the side it looks like a chopped 4WD rubber jet-space-boat-tank made out of parts from an Aston Martin Lagonda, an Olds Toronado and a Camaro just using a hammer. The doors can be opened and the interior is nicely done. Except the the lack of a steering wheel... I also have a 70's Corvette of this series which is slightly bigger than 1-87. You can open the doors AND the hood which hides a little surprisingly well done V8. First, I purchased it for modelling an "ordinary" Charger, but this one will stay in its original condition after getting in love in it just as it is. How do they say? It's the character that really counts, not the looks...
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