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Post by BillC on Jun 12, 2007 8:03:55 GMT 1
I would rather see a first-generation Taurus for two reasons: First, it is historically significant as not only the car that set the style for a decade of automotive design, but the car that saved Ford Motor Company. Second, it was one of the most significant cars of the 1980s.
If I was going to pick a significant car from the 1990s, it would be the first-generation Chrysler Concorde/Dodge Intrepid. I personally think the second-generation cars were better-looking, but the first-gen cars were more important in the history of the automobile.
One thing I do think is that Masterpiece needs to look at some Lincolns, starting with the 1940 Zephyr. Some of the later Continentals deserve to be made, as well. I just can't see the more recent Town Cars, though. I also want to see some Imperials. It would be neat to have an Imperial Crown Ghia limousine from the late 1950s or early 1960s.
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Post by Sylvain on Jun 12, 2007 8:12:38 GMT 1
…One thing I do think is that Masterpiece needs to look at some Lincolns, starting with the 1940 Zephyr. Some of the later Continentals deserve to be made, as well… I definitely agree. We need more Lincoln, and the late 30's or 40's Zephyr and Continental are very interesting cars.
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Post by stanhas87 on Jun 12, 2007 9:28:55 GMT 1
?One thing I do think is that Masterpiece needs to look at some Lincolns, starting with the 1940 Zephyr. Some of the later Continentals deserve to be made, as well? I definitely agree. We need more Lincoln, and the late 30's or 40's Zephyr and Continental are very interesting cars. Dear All: Agreed with that. Not many small miniatures of these cars. And,if it will be a case to say, put to a vote,also agree on the first generation Taurus (albeit someone I knew had one,and I truly did not liked it much). Along with the Lumina (which also should see the light in 1/87, but yeah,I know,is GM) it was a very capable fwd Cop Car/
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Post by skunk on Jun 12, 2007 13:51:38 GMT 1
I don't think that anyone wants the Lumina, but what about the Corsica/Beretta?
I imagine a strong market for one of the "personal coupes" of the seventies, like a Chrysler Cordoba or Buick Riviera or the Continental Mk IV.
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Post by stanhas87 on Jun 12, 2007 17:12:45 GMT 1
I don't think that anyone wants the Lumina, but what about the Corsica/Beretta? I imagine a strong market for one of the "personal coupes" of the seventies, like a Chrysler Cordoba or Buick Riviera or the Continental Mk IV. Dear All: The Lumina can be made,if not anything else,as a NASCAR racer, and Monogram did it nearly twenty years ago The Beretta was also made in small scale, but only once or twice. Even if is the case,due to GM policies, these models have not a chance to appear in 1/87. This Diecast Forum I belong to has a separate Chapter for Motormax, and there were threads which new Fresh Cherries should be made,and the Cordoba (with leather seats,with or without Ricardo Montalban figure) was often mentioned.The Riviera and the Mark not so much so, but they also would be interesting choices.
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Post by hovehicle on Jun 13, 2007 4:55:31 GMT 1
Nick,
I would love to see the Lumina also, but not as a cop car, just a civilian version. A GM cop car that is needed is the Chevy Impala from 2000-2005. I think Busch was actually working on this car until GM came in with their impossible reasoning and thus it was cancelled. I know that certain manufacturers will not do GM vehicles, but some will. High Speed could make this car if we can find a movie from Universal or Paramount that has the Impala. They release it in movie colors (if one exists), then they release it in the regular Malibu line under the many police agencies that carry this car. 2 right off the bat include NYPD and Chicago PD. This car of course can be a taxi, fire chief, etc. Hey, don't I have an imagination?
Vito L.
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Post by stanhas87 on Jun 13, 2007 5:47:43 GMT 1
Dear Vito:
As of now, many of the HO manufacturers are just avoiding GM as the plague. Which is a pity, because the new Impala have possibilities, among another prototypes.
Alas, in real life, word is that NYPD wants to replace their Impalas with Chargers. Since Ford and Chrysler are a tad easier to approach, a m.....l r........r will see more of their model cars at their streets.
Nick K
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Post by BillC on Jun 13, 2007 12:28:30 GMT 1
The Lumina is probably a dead issue. While I am hopeful Winner's Circle is having lots of luck with their current models, I don't see them going back to the older NASCAR vehicles. I also don't see a civilian or police version.
Sadly, the same is very probably true of the Impala. Busch might still make one if the Autec case is ever finalized, but it likely would not be available outside the European Union. GM has said they will have any unlicensed models shipped to the U.S. seized as contraband.
As Nick noted, manufacturers are avoiding GM. One company wanted to make the new GM pickups, which would certainly have no problems with the size limits, but found GM's demands too unreasonable.
I know that none of the manufacturers with whom I communicate have any plans for GM models in 1/87 scale.
What's amazing to me is that the downturn in sales of larger scale models and the new interest in 1/87 scale doesn't seem to have had any impact on General Motors.
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Post by stanhas87 on Jun 13, 2007 15:35:35 GMT 1
What's amazing to me is that the downturn in sales of larger scale models and the new interest in 1/87 scale doesn't seem to have had any impact on General Motors. Dear All: At the same time, despite the problems in the diecast area, GM has plenty of model in three inch size. As Bill mentioned, an HO company wanted to mold the new Pick Ups from them only to give up due to unreasonable demands. Mattel does issued the new generation of Chevrolet pick ups at their new 2007 releases, and this item is hard to find.Hence, if not anything else, this manufacturer favors the diecast/toy trade, probably because they see that will bring more sales. Odd atitude from a Company which has so many troubles - they should try any venues which are avalible in order to make their products known.
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Post by Cor_DutchArt on Jun 13, 2007 15:40:24 GMT 1
I'd like to see the 1964 Buick Riviera. And of course the Englisch models they are thinking of. Still keep it to the Vauxhall Prince Henry.
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Post by hovehicle on Jun 14, 2007 0:54:06 GMT 1
OK, guys, how do you explain the Reel Rides GM vehicles? Not 1, but 3! Maybe they were tooled slightly longer but they were made, and made quite well too. If Busch is done with GM and so are most other manufacturers then maybe Reel Rides can come to the rescue. When I saw that the first release was going to include 3 GM vehicles it surprised the hell out of me. They were also officially licensed by GM. Once again I'm hearing two different stories here and I'm trying to sort this out. If GM didn't have a final say in those Reel Rides they don't get done! Period! I think we go to the Reel Rides people and ask them for GM vehicles.
Vito L.
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Post by stanhas87 on Jun 14, 2007 3:03:59 GMT 1
Dear All:
In the other hand, Motormax attempted to get a Licence for the Vega to be made in their 1/87 series, and it seems that they never got an answer.
Of course, if Malibu will manage to bring more GM vehicles to life and some are the ones I want, I will be happy
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Post by BillC on Jun 14, 2007 11:29:27 GMT 1
Vito,
It's easy to explain the GM vehicles in the Reel Rides: 1. They all passed the size test. 2. Malibu is making most of them in three scales and is selling them through the world's largest retailer. That's a handy advantage not available to most modelmakers for the simple reason that most scale models can't be sold as toys.
The automakers are large companies that want to deal in large dollar amounts and 1/87 generally doesn't provide them. This is especially true of GM, which wants royalties in the six figures. It takes a company with an active development program in multiple scales and mass-market distribution to get GM excited.
As for Reel Rides coming to the rescue with a bunch of GM models, don't hold your breath. I can tell you Malibu is already a bit unhappy with GM. While there is at least one more GM vehicle in the next round of Reel Rides, I don't how many will appear in future 1/87 releases. While Malibu has promised future Reel Rides will be closer to scale, they don't guarantee that every model will appear in every scale.
Bill
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Post by hofan on Jun 14, 2007 11:52:19 GMT 1
Hello Bill: Do we take from your words that this GM model in the next Reel Rides release might not be available in 1/87. Is it from the 60's or 70's? regards
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Post by hovehicle on Jun 15, 2007 4:26:55 GMT 1
Hopefully, out of the three scales that Malibu makes, 1/87 is king! The GM Reel Rides have been selling the most so far by a wide margin whereas the Plymouth is doing ok and the Porsche not that well. So, if I'm a marketing guy what do I do? Find more GM vehicles from hot Universal or Paramount movies and make quality HO cars and trucks. Based on previous sales data, they will sell because we know that GM has a very tight leash on this hobby. All of my observations have been in multiple Walmarts of HO scale.
Another thing, if Walmart is selling most of the Reel Rides in HO why wouldn't Malibu make all future releases in this scale?
Vito L.
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