stanhas87
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Post by stanhas87 on Jul 2, 2007 10:13:54 GMT 1
Dear All:
It seems that Brekina is following the thread that other manufacturers, such as Motormax and Malibu started: bringing to life obscure (and at times desirable) vehicles. Myself I am glad to see the endless molding of Mercedes and BMWs that was usually brought by the big three is having a competion by manufacturers who tought outside the box.
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Post by skunk on Jul 2, 2007 18:34:57 GMT 1
Nick,
Are you suggesting that Brekina's release of the Fiat 2300 has anything to do with the fact that Motormax issued some badly cast 1:87 toys in WalMarts in the US?
Brekina has always offered interesting models, and with the purchase of Trumpeter they now have additional development capacity. Also, nearly all BMWs and Mercedeses have been done by now. As for obscure models, Brekina has been selling the Hongqi CA770 since long before Motormax were doing anything in 1:87.
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Post by Cor_DutchArt on Jul 2, 2007 18:49:12 GMT 1
This makes no sence at all. The models, made by Drummer and sold by Brekina, are filling a hole in the European model-market. It are no die-cast models either. Just favorite cars of Drummer. Even the idea that they let themselves inspire by Motormax is redicilous!
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stanhas87
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Post by stanhas87 on Jul 2, 2007 19:20:56 GMT 1
Nick, Are you suggesting that Brekina's release of the Fiat 2300 has anything to do with the fact that Motormax issued some badly cast 1:87 toys in WalMarts in the US? Brekina has always offered interesting models, and with the purchase of Trumpeter they now have additional development capacity. Also, nearly all BMWs and Mercedeses have been done by now. As for obscure models, Brekina has been selling the Hongqi CA770 since long before Motormax were doing anything in 1:87. Dear Hakan: Hm,no, and I am getting tired to hear such kind of comments. I am just suggesting that instead of following the past tendency to mold everything Mercedes or BMW and are releasing - in good quality, if you insist - obscure models that no one wants to do.Is my thinking that, since Motormax did that (regardless what kind of quality; they are welcome because no one will do them) and been sucessful (i.e., thinking outside of the established rules in 1/87) the 'major' modelers are following suit and also making unusual prototypes of their own. As far I am concerned. I am grabbing all of them (be it by Herpa,Wiking,Malibu or Motormax. The more variety, the better and I know no one will bother with a Escort,Chevette,Tempo or FIAT 2300, and since these made,for me,that is excellent). Nick K
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Post by skunk on Jul 2, 2007 19:35:14 GMT 1
So you are saying that Brekina (and Trumpeter/Drummer) are following Motormax's lead?
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Post by stanhas87 on Jul 2, 2007 19:49:01 GMT 1
Dear Hakan:
Since I been seeing more obscure models coming to light, I would say yes, in a way. Also, try to remember, Brekina is an all 1/87 scale company, while either Malibu or Motormax may throw the towel in this scale tomorrow;it seems that Welly did so. I am just commenting on what I been observing the new releases in this scale which to me, are monumental this year. I am also aware that by next years, things will slow down due to all known factors about modelmaking (pay the tooling, sales, etc).
And I almost forgot: when one tries to get on a crowded,very competitive market, if a modeler, will bring models that its bigger competiton does not want to touch, so they call some atention to themselves. This was Brekina's and Trumpeter cases, and is being followed by Motormax (as Bill said about the latter: is new,and brought unusual vehicles to life). Hence, if sucessful, will call the attention of the bigger makers; if uncessful, still a gain for the collector, for one has the rememberance that small modeler X or Y brought these to life and now I want them. Something else I can think of is the Karmann Ghia 1600 (square bodied one) which was made by a small maker before Busch brought that to life and several other cases as such;you mention seceral of them as well, be ready to run or kits.
Sorry about the rant. Just my thinking.
Nick K
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Post by only87 on Jul 3, 2007 1:25:20 GMT 1
I don't think anybody at Brekina has a real clue about who or what Motormax is. I really don't think so. And if they did, which I strongly believe they really don't, it wouldn't really matter for them.
The one impact on the European may have been the huge success of the Herpa Magic cars and the follow-ups in the Herpa Youngtimer series. That may have showed them that there is still an unconquered market for older vehicles besides Mercedes and BMW's. But then again, I wonder if Herpa would have released the Magic cars so "imprudently" if there hadn't been Brekina in the first place, a company that totally concentrates on pre 1980's stuff, and that goes well with it, including risky stuff besides the common rules as the Peugeot 404 or the Alfa Giulia. The sucess of the Magic cars may have inspired Brekina to go another step further by taking Drummer into the boat and expanding their line to get a share of that yet unconquered market.
Brekina can be compared best to a old but rather fresh minded, small family business. I don't think they bother too much what is going on in some supermarkets in the toy section way across the Atlantic ocean. And if they did, Motormax would be years too late to inspire Brekina to go a little off track with their Peugeot 404.
I think the deal with Drummer makes it possible for Brekina to go for models that don't have to sell in the xth print and color variation to make up for the tooling cost and finally let a little profit out. They just couldn't take such a risk as such a "small" company. But with Drummer as a partner and Herpa paving the road a bit in this direction, things seem different now. We would have seen a Fiat 2300 Coupé much earlier if Brekina would have had the choice to go that road all alone. But financially they didn't have the choice to go for such a risk.
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Post by skunk on Jul 3, 2007 7:50:51 GMT 1
I don't think anybody at Brekina has a real clue about who or what Motormax is. I really don't think so. And if they did, which I strongly believe they really don't, it wouldn't really matter for them. The one impact on the European may have been the huge success of the Herpa Magic cars and the follow-ups in the Herpa Youngtimer series. That may have showed them that there is still an unconquered market for older vehicles besides Mercedes and BMW's. But then again, I wonder if Herpa would have released the Magic cars so "imprudently" if there hadn't been Brekina in the first place, a company that totally concentrates on pre 1980's stuff, and that goes well with it, including risky stuff besides the common rules as the Peugeot 404 or the Alfa Giulia. The sucess of the Magic cars may have inspired Brekina to go another step further by taking Drummer into the boat and expanding their line to get a share of that yet unconquered market. Brekina can be compared best to a old but rather fresh minded, small family business. I don't think they bother too much what is going on in some supermarkets in the toy section way across the Atlantic ocean. And if they did, Motormax would be years too late to inspire Brekina to go a little off track with their Peugeot 404. I think the deal with Drummer makes it possible for Brekina to go for models that don't have to sell in the xth print and color variation to make up for the tooling cost and finally let a little profit out. They just couldn't take such a risk as such a "small" company. But with Drummer as a partner and Herpa paving the road a bit in this direction, things seem different now. We would have seen a Fiat 2300 Coupé much earlier if Brekina would have had the choice to go that road all alone. But financially they didn't have the choice to go for such a risk. Word.
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Post by Cor_DutchArt on Jul 3, 2007 21:06:51 GMT 1
That is right. Motormax is no competition for Brekina. They both serve another market.
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Post by Sylvain on Jul 3, 2007 21:16:59 GMT 1
By the way, no news about the 504?
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Post by acd on Jul 4, 2007 1:20:02 GMT 1
When the 504 comes out I hope they do the sedan AND wagon like they did with the Volvo Amazon. I would think that a Lancia Fulvia would make a nice Brekina release too.
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Post by stanhas87 on Jul 4, 2007 8:45:40 GMT 1
Dear All:
No one is asking the question: why Herpa Magic Cars? I will let anyone else to respond.
Now: I would like Brekina to release some British Vintage trucks, such as Leyland, Foden or AEC. Will be nice to finally have these in HO. Can have enough of their Borgward Lorries and the Classic Mercedes Benz Bus. I used to see the former, and ride the latter when I was a child.
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Post by hofan on Jul 4, 2007 10:36:46 GMT 1
Hello: I am very anxious for the 504 be it the sedan or wagon. is there any change in plan regarding this model?
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Post by Marc S. on Jul 4, 2007 12:13:27 GMT 1
As fas as I know, the 504 sedan is still on the agenda and the wagon is still a possibility.
Marc S.
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Post by Cor_DutchArt on Jul 4, 2007 16:35:57 GMT 1
Yes, the 504 is coming next year.
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