Ed
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Post by Ed on Sept 1, 2006 20:08:11 GMT 1
I have noticed that WalMart has offered their Motor Max cars in several scales. Owing to the popularity of the 1/87 items that WalMart sells, is Motor Max likely to produce there in 1/87?
I really like the prospect of some of these cars being produced, but I know nothing about this manufacturer.
Thanks.
Ed
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Post by Eric on Sept 1, 2006 22:43:56 GMT 1
Motormax manufactures models in lots of different scales, more information on their website: www.motormaxtoy.comAs for 87th scale models, I don't know, but maybe we'l get lucky
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stanhas87
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Post by stanhas87 on Sept 1, 2006 23:51:49 GMT 1
Dear All:
Up to now.Motormax offered only trucks and trailers and Construction Vehicles in or close to 1/87,and these are (were) Zylmex castings.I did not heard about the Fresh Cherries being offered in 1/87,but if they would,one would have a Pinto,Maverick,Gremlin,Pacer and Mustang II fastback (as their larger,1/64 scale models) avaliable.Not bad.
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Post by swampdaddy on Feb 19, 2007 15:12:24 GMT 1
Nick K: Pretty good crystal ball; your wish/prediction for Fresh Cherries in 1/87 has come true in a huge way. Let's hope for more and more. I noted this thread while thrashing around trying to find something else in the archives.
Since Fresh Cherries have done some AMC it would be nice for a Javelin or AMX. Big wagon would be nice too.
Swamp Daddy
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stanhas87
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Post by stanhas87 on Feb 19, 2007 20:13:22 GMT 1
Dear Harry:
Motormax,in a way,curved the odds by accepting themselves,as Ricko,that 1/87 scale is an important one.Others,such as New Ray,made a series of cars,then some trucks and that was that;Playing Mantis/Johnny Lightning spread a rumour that they would make HO models but that never happened;and Welly did some cars,but these are not be found (Schuco offers only a limited amount of the Wellys) and rumour has that the latter is giving up small models (they are mostly known for their larger ones,and their policies do favors that).
Also,I follow with interest which would be the next Fersh Cherries in 1/60 because as it happened,similar models are offerd in 1/87.The promised releases been reported; in the rumour mill,there is a Fiero and a Honda Civic on the Works (1/60 models).
As of now,I would like to see the Chrysler Le Baron Town & County SW 1979 (that will be made in 1/24 and 1/60;I will get both),Matador Coupe 1975,Harry's wishes and the Hornet.
Nick K
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skunk
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Post by skunk on Feb 21, 2007 3:58:39 GMT 1
Also,I follow with interest which would be the next Fersh Cherries in 1/60 because as it happened,similar models are offerd in 1/87.The promised releases been reported; in the rumour mill,there is a Fiero and a Honda Civic on the Works (1/60 models). Nick K A Civic, huh? Do you think that this may be related to the "1974 Honda CVCC" that was listed elsewhere by Bill as an upcoming announcement in 87th scale?
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stanhas87
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Post by stanhas87 on Feb 21, 2007 4:22:32 GMT 1
Also,I follow with interest which would be the next Fersh Cherries in 1/60 because as it happened,similar models are offerd in 1/87.The promised releases been reported; in the rumour mill,there is a Fiero and a Honda Civic on the Works (1/60 models). Nick K A Civic, huh? Do you think that this may be related to the "1974 Honda CVCC" that was listed elsewhere by Bill as an upcoming announcement in 87th scale? Dear Hakan: Precisely.And Tomica,in order not to do less,made a 1975 on its on-going 'Classic Model'- 1/64 scale - range.It seems to be a big year for Hondas as well. Nick K
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Post by DavidJohnson on Feb 25, 2007 18:47:40 GMT 1
I finally opened my Fresh Cherry Mercury Bobcats and found that they ride too high for my liking. Thankfully it is easy to fix because the baseplate is attached with a screw. The slots for the axels are oversize and there are nubs on the bottom of the interior casting to push the axels down into the slots. I cut off the nubs and the car sets at the right height. Now the tires also are too wide so they end up force fitting into the wheel arches. Still this is an improvement, and can be remedied by shortening the metal axels or replacing the wheel sets.
all for now, Dave
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BillC
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Post by BillC on Feb 25, 2007 23:48:19 GMT 1
Most of the Motormax cars are too tall. The Escort is almost exact, but the Tempo is 5.5 scale inches too tall. Both AMCs are about 4 inches too tall. The problem with lowering them is the body walls are too thick for clearance. So you wind up with a very unprototypically narrow track or wheels that rub.
Another point in favor of plastic!
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stanhas87
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Post by stanhas87 on Feb 26, 2007 3:16:16 GMT 1
Dear All:
I heard about the fact that these are too tall and the wheels would rub if the problem is fixed.Fine.But,on my view,since no one,as of now,will bother to mold these prototypes,they are very welcome as far I am concerned.And I tell you,I will be drooling all over if the Reliant 1983 or Le Baron SW debut in 1/87 scale.
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Post by BillC on Feb 26, 2007 14:26:26 GMT 1
Dear All: I heard about the fact that these are too tall and the wheels would rub if the problem is fixed. Fine. But, on my view, since no one, as of now, will bother to mold these prototypes, they are very welcome as far I am concerned. And I tell you, I will be drooling all over if the Reliant 1983 or Le Baron SW debut in 1/87 scale. Nick, You drool all over diecast anyway. In reality, the Motormax cars aren't really all that exciting. At least not the first batch. Crooked grilles on the Gremlin and Pinto and really poor headlights on the Gremlin, just to name a few shortcomings. And price is no excuse: it's wouldn't have cost a penny more to get the grilles straight and only a fraction of a cent to paint more than dots on the headlights. The second round is a definite improvement but I wish Motormax would look at what High Speed is doing with their models. I have no doubt Motormax could do the same because I look at the things they did get right. One thing that is still a problem is the tires. They are about the right diameter for the AMC cars, which had 14-inch wheels but they are about 2 inches too large for the Pinto/Bobcat which had 13-inch wheels. However, they are way too wide. Of course, who am I to talk? Ricko tires are usually way too narrow! ;D Bill
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Post by skunk on Feb 26, 2007 21:20:25 GMT 1
However, they are way too wide. Of course, who am I to talk? Ricko tires are usually way too narrow! ;D Bill It all evens out in the end, huh? I don't quite understand why all model car manufacturers suffer from top-of-the-line syndrome. That is, they almost always only model the most expensive version of a car. Even if they do a regular version, they still give it big wide tires and make it a little bit wider than it should be.
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stanhas87
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Post by stanhas87 on Feb 27, 2007 0:27:37 GMT 1
Nick, You drool all over diecast anyway. Bill Dear Bill: Yeah,in a way,but some models more than others.If Motormax came with an endless stream of BMW's,Mercedes,Chevrolet 1957 and Corvettes I would not be so excited (but provided I do not have the prototype offered,I will get it).The Le Baron in particular,is a mass produced vehicle which comes close to the Diplomat,something I been asking for Centuries (as of course,you know it) and with the Reliant,finally have something to resemble my Aries and this way I can forget all about of N.J. International's 'fiasco'. With + or - 2200 1/87 scaled plastic models in the collection (much more if other scales are added),I guess that I am into plastic as well (yes,it includes the Mini Lindys from Lindberg - on the other scales report). Nick K
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Post by swampdaddy on Feb 27, 2007 0:29:47 GMT 1
Hi all: I think an awful lot discussion of this can be attributed to where we are coming from. The Malibu (Model Power, High Speed, etc.) and the Fresh Cherries from MotorMax are created as toys; and, it is as toys that they must sell well to be successful in the market place. After all, we are buying these at Wal-Mart and not a model shop or hobby shop.
Next, the manufacturer may figure that he can sell a few more by choosing a scale associated with model railroading. Can we call this the tail that sometimes wags the dog (or vice-versa)? So in go enough details to present the effect of the car at a distance. And, many model railroaders (I did not say all) are striving for the effect of a scene, the overall look, rather than wanting pieces you can pick up and examine closely (or even closer with a magnifying glass).
And, at some point maybe the manufacturer can pick up a few sales from scale model collectors. And speaking from the numbers standpoint we are the fleas on the dog. [now before you all complain, remember I belong to the model railroading and scale model collectors categories myself -- I'm just speaking of numbers here]. The scale model collectors people want to examine things under a magnifying glass; they want things to be perfect as to real life. Rarely do we get this in any model regardless of price. Ok, I often settle for less than perfection (and we can view the Fresh Cherries this way) as I am well aware that it is unlikely that many models will be done at all much less to the highest levels.
I am glad to have the Fresh Cherries models; and the Malibu Models. And, I like the price too.
Hopefully the Fresh Cherries will get better as they go along. I think the paint on almost all HO diecast looks way to thick and tends to cover details in the sheet metal. And, as BillC has noted about quantity: If I was going to fill an autorack with 20 or more cars I'd want the $1.97 ones a lot sooner than the $10 ones(or something even higher).
And, I also fit the top category: toy collector. I collect Mustangs and a few others in any scale.
toys > scene creators > scale collectors (the food chain in numbers)
And, thank goodness Fresh Cherries is issuing, more or less, ordinary cars. Pacer, Gremlin, Pinto, Bobcat, etc. I'd much rather have that, than my 100th different Mercedes 300 SL or another Lamborghini whatever.
Perfection itself for all three categories would be nice; but, maybe that's dream land. And, over my 5-1/2 decades in this hobby area you can bet things are much, much better than they have ever been. See my album on Yahoo for the 1950's blobs of metal they called vehicles.
Long live the cheap outfits as well as the expensive, Swamp Daddy
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Post by Mark Maticek on Feb 27, 2007 1:42:39 GMT 1
Interesting discussion. I also welcome the High Speed/Motormax models even though they might fall a little short in the accuracy area.
Motormax is making models of prototypes that no one else would make and High Speed is really improving their quality (Olds 442 and Jaguar XK) while also offering models never done before. And, the price IS right!
I've been collecting 1/87 models for nearly 40 years and as I've said before, the range of choices has never been better. While I don't drool over an AMC Pacer model (the new Red Line Ferrari's are another story), I can appreciate the fact that there are many model railroaders and other collectors who love these prototypes. Same goes for the Ford Fairmount coming. Not a car I've waited for, but I will buy it nonetheless.
Besides the variety, if as Bill says, Motormax will improve the quality, how can any of us really complain?
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