stanhas87
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Post by stanhas87 on Jan 17, 2004 6:54:08 GMT 1
Dear Sirs: This is in fact Eric's suggestion and I think that it applies quite well here. Hence: Road Test:Busch 1977 Dodge Monaco. The Busch model is quite well executed except at the front end.I have several scale models from this car,and it seems that as smaller it gets,the front end is more difficult to get.The headlights does not seem that right,and the front grilles are all right,specially on the Plymouth. Otherwise,the body is correct.The rear door is very correct-and that is a fraction of inch detail;the rear bumper is well done as well.If painted,it will exibit the rear light brake lense and white reverse light lense.I saw the interior of these and I can ask much in this area,but it seems all right.Overal,I think that this model is fine;just has to have the front reworked,but again,that may be asking for too much. The Monster truck looks good,tough.......
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Post by h0collector on Jan 18, 2004 18:17:10 GMT 1
I agree with you about the headlights on the '77-'78 Monacoand Fury. Busch should have reworked these, or perhaps another could come up with something better? The body itself is very well done, and is a good basis for making the mid-size Dodge Coronet and Plymouth Satelite 4-door back to the 1971 models, which were renamed Dodge Monaco (in '77) and Plymouth Fury (in '75), then the old full-sized Monaco and Fury Gran were phased out. The main difference between the earlier 70s Coronets and Satelites, and the '77-'78 Monacos/Furys (Busch' models) is the front (headlights and grilles), but there are also some difference in the wheel housings (more square form in the '71-'74 and round in '75-'78. The easiest conversion would be the '75 and '76 Coronet 4-door (renamed Monaco in '77) and '75 and '76 Fury 4-door, where the bodies seems to be identical to '77-'78, except for the fronts.
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stanhas87
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Post by stanhas87 on Jan 18, 2004 20:05:52 GMT 1
Dear Sirs: The Dodge coronet for 75 and 76 is identical to the Monaco;the difference are on the headlights-these are round.A Williams Dodge can be converted to these.The 1971-1974 models have a slightly different body and the front end was rounder and lower.The 1972 Sattelite was one my favorites. Joe: I would like to know what is wrong with the Ferrero's and Magnuson's Checker. Thank you.
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Post by skunk on Jan 18, 2004 22:07:49 GMT 1
I saw a Williams Dodge on the Internet, it looked exactly like the Busch version. Did someone copy someone? Maybe this should be a new thread...
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Post by h0collector on Jan 18, 2004 22:13:17 GMT 1
I saw a Williams Dodge on the Internet, it looked exactly like the Busch version. Did someone copy someone? Maybe this should be a new thread... I have the Williams' Dodge, but it is certainly not a copy of the Busch model. Williams' model is significant smaller that the Busch, and is not in correct 1/87 scale.
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stanhas87
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Post by stanhas87 on Jan 18, 2004 22:16:15 GMT 1
Dear Bjarte,Skunk:
Additionally,the Williams model does not have the headlights this defined.Hence,it can be built as a Coronet or Monaco.
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stanhas87
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Post by stanhas87 on Jan 19, 2004 16:23:08 GMT 1
Dear Sirs: Road Test:Walther's 1998 Ford Crown Victoria. In all,this car has the same problem as the Busch's Monaco:the Front end does not look right,and the overall shape is not this well executed.I never saw the inside of it but as I stated that would be asking too much.Further,I think that these are not made any longer.I still think that Busch should introduce a Vic Mk II and theirs would be better;the 1997 version are being retired from the police forces. The Walther model can be converted to a 1999 model by painting the front grille black or extended a bit to represent the Vic's specialy cab.Yet,that model still does not capture the real car too well;it seems that was candidate for a solid-cast kit.........
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stanhas87
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Post by stanhas87 on Feb 10, 2004 4:34:57 GMT 1
Dear Sirs:
Ferrerro Checker Marathon.
In all.it may look a bit better than the one from Magnuson,but its rear is not that accurate,it seems a tad smaller than in 1/87,and the rear quarter is off as well.Quite accurate front,but overall,it looks toy-ish as the rest of the Ferreros.This manufacturer add their own details for all or most of their cars.
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Post by BillC on Feb 10, 2004 6:49:30 GMT 1
I still think that Busch should introduce a Vic Mk II and theirs would be better;the 1997 version are being retired from the police forces. Sadly, it is highly unlikely Busch will make the later Crown Victoria. Busch was quite unhappy when Walthers introduced their model shortly after the debut of the Busch Crown Vic. Walthers, which is one of Busch's primary North American distributors, had produced a competing model which they priced lower and promoted heavily. The headlamps and surrounds on the Praline/Busch Plymouth and Dodge models are too small. Incidentally, if you are painting the taillights on the Dodge model, the outer lenses (tail/brake light) are red, the center portion (reversing light) is a milky white, the inner lenses (turn indicator) are amber. The Plymouth has red lenses in the outer and inner positions.
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Post by stanhas87 on Feb 10, 2004 7:18:51 GMT 1
Dear BillC:
Agreed;I always considered the front of the Dodge/Plymouh not that well done;the rest of model is superb,though.And lenses can always be painted.
Incidentally,I just got the Plymouth Kansas higway Patrol Fury and I can say that the wheels are strange yet atractive.2004 will bring the Monaco Idaho State;I just hope that comes with same wheels as the 1/24 scaled Yodel miniature.
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Post by BillC on Feb 10, 2004 8:07:57 GMT 1
The wheels are nice, but not correct. The wheels supplied on other Busch Dodge and Plymouth models are actually quite accurate models of the wheel/hubcap found on most Mopar squads.
The wheel rim should be painted to match the body color. only the center hubcap should be chrome. You will be amazed at how much more realistic your police models appear if you make this one change.
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Post by stanhas87 on Feb 10, 2004 18:30:31 GMT 1
Dear BillC:
Thank you,got it.
Now: does someone can add something to the Checker roadtest?
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Post by stanhas87 on Oct 27, 2004 4:55:45 GMT 1
Dear Sirs:
Road Test: 1960 Plymouth Valiant from Trol.
Model made by Trol,Brazil. Reference#5065. Solid cast model in plastic;no interior.
In all,it classifies as a toy and its scale will be around 1/84 scale. It is the case where a toy was made in the US,and then,its tooling was sent elsewhere.I have both versions.
Trol,along with Estrela and ATMA,are a major toy manufacturer.
The vehicle,a 1960 Plymouth Valiant,with the spare wheel at its trunk (boot) is squarish at its front end and rear,and the semi round detail that are present at the real at its rear panel appears as a very thin line;its angled rear lenses are present and it features air deflectors close to the front windows.The front grille is almost accurate and the quad headlights are also molded. It is a vehicle on an 'almost' correct shape and slightly larger than the Revell's Dodge Lancer miniature. Again,unless someone say otherwise,this seems to be the only model of this particular car.
As a solid-cast vehicle,the windows are the same color as the body.My Brazilian version is green and its American counterpart is red.Details such as the mid-pillars and window dividers are present.
The vehicle is interiorless and does not feature a chassi; the wheels are held by pins that are casted at the underbody (mainly,when the car is turned down). And of course,there is where the TROL and its reference number is scripted.
I had an article at Toy Truck and Contractor Magazine about the American manufacturer who originally casted this -and other - vehicle,including a car carrying truck. I do not know where the magazine is, hence I can not comment much about it. One thing is certain: the American version is from the late 1950's or early 1960's; the Brazilian version was probably cast at the late 1960's (I got mine in 1970).
Of course, this car has no separate parts; it is a one-piece casting. The wheels are plastic,black, and a single casting for the wheels and axle. It is interesting because when one looks at it,does not need to guess what kind of car it is.
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