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Post by only87 on Nov 2, 2004 4:50:39 GMT 1
Good wheels are essential for a real good model, so why not open a thread for a loose wheel talk. What bugs me a bit is that Brekina doesn't offer a set of their Mercedes W114/115 and Volkswagen wheels, there's so much potential out there with all the old Wiking models. Same on the wheels of their Opel Rekord C, which are perfect as generic wheels for 1950's and 60's cars. The wheels of their race Amazon look very much like the Mercedes AMG wheels. Instead they only offer their wheels for light and heavy trucks. I don't need them. And I'm a truckbuilder, the bulls-eye of the target group for this sets. Another one I would gladly appreciate as a set or a part of one would be the later wheels of the Herpa 2CV. They would do a great job on many of the Norev models or their Eko counterparts. Or even better Brekina again, when they finally offer their 2CV delivery. Busch also has some wheels that would make a nice set, thinking of their Renault 4CV, the Fiat 500, Caddy 59 or the new sport wheels on the Mustang (although I don't like them so much). Generally I must say many of the sets available are no good choice, because they chose some distinctive rims. One or two models with the rims of a Morgan plus 8 is ok, but why should I buy another set. And I wish Athearn will offer their new chrome wheels as a set, and the older new ones... As a generic type of wheels (Look great on the Eko Ami6 and the Renault Caravelle with a little paint) I mostly took the wheels of the old Fröwis Ford Transits, which are misplaced on it anyway. I like the model more than the new Brekina one and replaced the original ones to those from a Roco Ford FK. These Roco wheels are also very nice for bigger cars like the American sedans of the 50's and 60's. The Roco FK was often sold for 2 Euros new, so I cannibalized about a dozen of them by now. Anybody in need of about 11 Roco Ford FK's? Another conversion idea is taking the rims of a Trident Blazer or van and put some smaller tires on (for example those from a Roco FK , they fit perfectly). There are different rims, but some look exactly like those aftermarket chrome rims with the triangular holes that were so popular on Camaros, Mustangs and such. The rims are already chromed, looks perfect. But beware of the set that Trident offers, it has a ridiculous price for the quality, maybe they put second choices in, nearly unusable. If you have some wheels you would like to use, but they had tick plastic axles on and tehre's no space for them on the model, here's how I solved it. Cut a small rubber hose (electric wire sealing etc) with the right outer and inner bore or caliber (maybe a little more or less, therefore rubber) to length and stick it on the ends of the axle after you mounted it to the model and finally stick the wheels on. This is how I made some Kibri wheels ready for a Herpa frame. Rolls great.
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Post by cfesmire on Nov 2, 2004 13:42:30 GMT 1
I guess you could say this thread is where the rubber meets the road . I too am a bit perplexed at the way many manufacturers treat wheels and tires and am also, primarily a truck builder. I have come to buying aftermarket wheels and tires for many of my vehicles. Both A-line and Dennis Aust have some terrific offerings. Roco has a package that gives the buyer 2 different kinds of large tires (approx. 14x24) that happen to fit Herpa rims, which is very nice since they give military rims with the package. One set is off road and the other highway. I'm a sucker for real rubber tires. Boley has a real nice set of 10 hole Budds that are real metal and the tires are also quite nice. I would be remiss if I didn't mention the great 6 hole wheels on the Athearn Ford C models. Recently I purchased the Busch '50 Chevy pickup which has a nice set of wheels and tires that when the inner rim is painted look terrific. BTW, the tires that come with the Herpa sport rims can be used on the sport rims that are on the new Busch Mustang that Peter mentioned above and are slightly wider than the Busch tires. I see a lot of wheels on models I would like to have sold separately but are not offered as "aftermarket" so I guess I'll continue to spend the money and buy the whole model for the wheels.
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Post by cfesmire on Nov 4, 2004 19:10:28 GMT 1
I am a bit perplexed at the Brekina sport wheel package. Many of the wheels themselves are quite deep and yet all of the tires that accompany the package are narrow and tall. One other note about what Roco offers on its pieces. Every Roco piece I have ever obtained has a prototypically correct wheel on it, from the Minitanks stuff to their old civilian line. I research the prototype of everything I have in 1/87 and Roco has not disappointed me yet. Kind of amazing actually given the variety of wheels on military pieces. BTW, if you are looking for accurate wheels and tires for US trailers, Lonestar Models has a very convincing set. Lastly, I am pleased to see Wiking depart from the old light grey tires and start to offer more accurate wheels styling on their cars and trucks. I will be putting literally hundreds of 1/87 wheels/tires on ebay shortly including several dozen of the old Wiking. Anyone from the group interested, please contact me. Maybe some trades?
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Post by h0collector on Nov 4, 2004 22:21:49 GMT 1
I fully agree that the supplies of spare wheels from the major 1/87 manufacturers is not good enough. The finest wheels I know of is the chrome wheels from Busch, which I use on many of the American car kits from Superba, Stoney's etc. Herpa does also make some fine wheels in their packages, but I should wish that Brekina and Wiking could offer too (they used to do so some years ago).
cfesmire - I'm interested to purchase wheels from you. I have already sent you an e-mail.
Bjarte
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perez
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Post by perez on Nov 9, 2004 5:58:10 GMT 1
hi there folks! does anybody know if athearn sells spoke rims like of the ford c trucks?? they look darn fine and it will look good on international trucks. Does Herpa still make wheels and rims of trucks from the 70's to 80's? i tried the promotex website but dont seem to have it -Perez
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Post by Lee on Nov 9, 2004 6:19:42 GMT 1
Being as all the Athearn trucks are made in China, I really doubt if they have any kind of spare parts stock. Only when something is made inhouse would there be extra parts available.
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Post by BillC on Nov 9, 2004 9:04:36 GMT 1
Athearn has said there won't be any spare parts for any of the new trucks. As Lee noted, the models are manufactured in China and are delivered fully assembled to the U.S.
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Post by perez on Nov 16, 2004 6:41:25 GMT 1
daggone it!! i guess i gotta buy a athearn truck nd donate the wheels. thanks for the info guys.
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Post by cfesmire on Nov 16, 2004 12:22:27 GMT 1
Judging from the photos on the vehicle and equipment club site, the new Athearn B and R model Macks look like they have some very nice wheels and the updated version of the KW W900 also is showing some better wheels than before. Somehow I get the feeling that we won't be seeing a lot of kit type models from Athearn and as BillC has informed us all of the new stuff is fully assembled. Wonder if they'll keep the Freightliner COE and W900 selling as kits? (you can throw those wheels out however) Speaking of wheels, I can't help but mention the Automobilia sport wheels. They are a bit pricey, but look fantastic showing the disk brake calipers and drums.
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Post by BillC on Nov 17, 2004 2:50:29 GMT 1
Since I have some samples of the new Mack B and R, I can tell you the wheels are very nice (as is everything else).
Athearn could make a nice piece of change by selling their wheels. Perhaps as the truck lines mature, they will consider this. The only problem I could see with producing them is they might be part of a larger parts sprue. However, that problem can be overcome by blocking off unneeded portions of the tooling and just molding the wheels.
Bill C.
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Post by skunk on Nov 17, 2004 19:53:22 GMT 1
Wheels are a constant problem for me... The Busch (?) Fiat Ducato has great generic rims, as does the AWM VW Caddy. I just spent four days combining the Chrome surround and tire from a Herpa Sports rim with the center of a Wiking wheel from an Opel Manta A, with glorious results. How does BS-design and other resin manufacturers get their rims from Herpa et al? Maybe 87thscale could use similar channels and offer its members a pack of various rims, so that I wont have to buy and scrap countless Busch Fiat 500's anymore... it also feels like a waste to have empty carcasses of Brekina Alfas and Peugeots, just to update Eko models. BTW, the Ferrari Mythos rims look AMAZING on any US car, I will send pics of a Magnuson Chevy Nova as soon as I can get this stupid computer to stop crashing.
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Post by stanhas87 on Nov 18, 2004 3:31:12 GMT 1
Dear Sirs:
Correct me if I am wrong,but according to Herpa's 2003 catalog, wheels are sold as separate items.
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Post by Marc S. on Nov 18, 2004 20:14:09 GMT 1
Nick,
Yes, but not each and every set of Herpa wheel and tires is available separately. A couple of small-series manufacturers such as Martin Fredrich, BS Design, US Models and others have been adding Herpa wheels to their models that have not been available without a vehicle. Which stirs the question how they did it. (They asked and offered enough money to make Herpa agree, I suppose.)
Marc S.
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Lee
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Post by Lee on Nov 19, 2004 1:32:02 GMT 1
Bulk buying and bulk packaging. If you wanted to buy say 500 rims in one package, they probably would sell. It is easy for them to make and put in one big bag. It takes time and money to package in small quanities.
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Post by stanhas87 on Nov 20, 2004 6:31:12 GMT 1
Dear Sirs:
I should add that Busch Caprice has correct hubcaps and so does their Crown Victoria.
Today Jack gave me a Matchbox Ford Cargo with the correct truck wheels - detailed it as well - and this looks very good, very authentic. (This was one of the found vehicles that I mentioned already and it needed serious 'repairs'. Now it truly looks good).
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