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Post by hovehicle on Sept 1, 2008 4:55:03 GMT 1
Thanks for the info guys. Interesting product mix, that's for sure. Some of those models would be great in high quality plastic or diecast.
Vito L.
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Post by Christian on Sept 5, 2008 23:34:21 GMT 1
A couple of additions and corrections, and a little breakthrough. You can now search by prototype manufacturer.
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Post by mstar on Sept 24, 2008 19:03:27 GMT 1
Hello Christian!
What is the Mager Alfa Romeo (Brera) Spider? Have you seen it yourself? Couldn't find any information about that model, but this Spider is one of the most beautiful Alfas out there...
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Post by only87 on Sept 26, 2008 22:52:15 GMT 1
If I connect things right here the model is a "solid" resin model from a private caster who made copies merely for his private use but some found their way to other collectors. The castings seem a bit crude, at least when you compare them to "official" small-series resin models.
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Post by mstar on Sept 27, 2008 13:44:20 GMT 1
Ok, then the Alfa won't look that good. Too sad no one else makes it...
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Post by only87 on Oct 23, 2008 12:19:52 GMT 1
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Post by Christian on Nov 4, 2008 20:30:52 GMT 1
While Peter answered the question already I would add that Mr Mager sells them quite openly. And yes, they are crude (but charming).
I am now at 6,500 entries and revised the design of the list/added more columns.
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Post by only87 on Nov 4, 2008 21:33:39 GMT 1
Say, Christian, I was wondering for years now where some of the info comes from. If I look at entries like Astretsovskaia I can only shake my head and wonder. Such info is very deep into it and there are dozens of entries like that. When I first saw the list still in the 24valve days it already was a massive one loaded with unusual insights. So how was the original list compiled and how did it get so darn complete? I like the idea of a secret little spy organisation behind it, but I guess that's not it... or is it?
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Post by Christian on Nov 4, 2008 22:15:00 GMT 1
The secret little spy organisation consists of, well, everyone here. You raise an interesting point and it's something that I like to talk about. The Astretsovskaia info came from Jean-Marc Bergez, who used to be a contributor. We even had photos of the models, maybe Eric still has them. But that's not really what you wanted to know, is it? I don't know exactly how Eric compiled the original list. Along the way we looked at lists that others had put together and over the years we completed ours with every snippet of info we got our hands on. Emails from collectors, old magazines and advertisements, direct contacts to manufacturers, and not least of all Ebay. That takes a lot of dedication and it's frustrating when you think about all the info that goes down the drain unnoticed or because people don't want to share. In some cases, 87thscale.info is the only proof left of some small manufacturer's existance. We have started to list sources on the model listings to be able to track back where the info comes from, which is often helpful. Much of it is on the internet if you know where and how to search, but it takes a lot of time of course. Even though we are at nearly 1,200 entries, every once in a while someone discovers a new manufacturer that nobody had heard about before (still happens to me, too). Here is a little goody for you that I found by chance, reflecting the development described above: www.hobbytec.com.br/paginas/produtos/visualizar_produto.php?cod_prod=27
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Post by only87 on Nov 5, 2008 1:25:00 GMT 1
Hm, maybe I should share a little bit more then. I tried to share only solid info, meaning that I got a manufacturer's name or other info that one can at least work with. And sometimes I just forget. I run over so many things that it is really hard to keep track. I knew of these FNM models for instance, but the net site is new to me. I just checked where I had found some pics of the models and they're gone. Now there's a link to ... the site you just posted! Seems it is fairly new then. Since we're talking Brazil and I said I would share a bit more: automodelli.com.br/index.php?cPath=46&osCsid=337e04a78e053ecc8b66d05b64003169This alone will certainly not make an entry, but maybe it's a start and somebody else finds another link someday. Also the Buggy666 models seem to be known by the name of Dumont Parts: tinyurl.com/5a8notYou will find more of those searching this site for 1/87, but I thought Nick would like this one. Here's something that can actually make an entry, from Brazil to Finland: www.fintoys.com/-> surprise toys I've known this for years and have a permanent ebay search running. In two years one Saab popped up and went for big bucks, nothing else, so I think those are rather rare. The brand is Chymos, a kiddies toy brand, I don't think it's the actual manufacturer of the models. So much for now.
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Post by stanhas87 on Nov 5, 2008 2:19:16 GMT 1
Dear All:
Is interesting to notice that the Dumont Manufacturer did the brazilian prototypes from some vehicles here, the main example being the Rural Jeep Wagon and the Rural based Ford F-75 Pick Up (it was the Rural pick up; became the F-75 by the end of the 1970's). The DKW sedan is not right; the Brazilians never had the two door sedan and definitively not the one with the front wrap around window. Back to the Ford F-100 Pick Up, I wish they had done the 1967 or 1969 (with Twin I-bean front suspension) models because that had a design which was made for the Brazilian Market only. The Chevy Chevette is correct, and good thing that they did not forgot the Opala, which is virtually a legend with them. Other one that they should make is the DKW Fissore (which was considered a sporty DKW; the first Puma Sports car also did have DKW mechanicals) and the Volkswagen 1600 4-door; both were made for the Brazilian Market only. Glad to see that Automobilia does the Puma in 1/87, but I wish they start to do non-keychain vehicles, as they did with their 1/64 Chevrolet Opala Coupe (which I want badly now).
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Post by Christian on Nov 10, 2008 1:06:43 GMT 1
I run over so many things that it is really hard to keep track. I knew of these FNM models for instance Oh yes ... You know about the FNM blog then? It's quite fantastic. Last time I looked they didn't have them marked as 1/87 and they didn't have a Puma. Or I am thinking about another site. In any case, very nice. I am not sure I can agree here. The Buggy666 models always looked a bit more homegrown to me and I don't recognize any types from his lineup. We have them listed under Muovo, but now that I see the flyer they could be named Chymos just as well. Funnily enough I knew about that site, too. They must have updated it recently with substantial info.
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Post by Eric on Nov 10, 2008 1:26:49 GMT 1
I like the idea of a secret little spy organisation behind it, but I guess that's not it... or is it? If it is... it is not a secret anymore ;D I saw Christian already answered your query, there is not much I can add to what he already said besides explaining how it all began. At the time I started collecting there was hardly anything in print, my main source for information was the German Modell-Auto Zeitschrift of which I found my first issue in 1982. (The mag was already on the market since 1980, but The Netherlands were and are an 1/87 wasteland...). It is in the MAZ that I found lists of for instance Lego and Norev models, and those lists are what started it all... Curious as I am, I started searching for more information, dug up older magazines, folders, leaflets and such (still have to scan >1000 pages) acquired part of a deceased collectors archive of press releases and magazine articles, came in contact with manufacturers like BdB and HK and saved anything I could find on anything even remotely related to 1/87 models. This of course, has taken years and with the arrival of internet for the masses I thought it made sense to get everything I found on the internet so it would be available to other collectors. That's when I started the manufacturers list on 24Valve.com in 1999. Soon after I received the first e-mails from Christian with material he had and we have been working from there until the arrival of the new .info domain names. Since 24Valve.com did not really have any relation to 87thscale, a new domain name was acquired and a new and improved site was launced in 2001. That's the story basically, nothing secret about it ;D PS any information is welcome, even a tiny snippet of information may get the ball rolling. I have lots of pictures and lots of information, but still need more !
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Post by only87 on Nov 10, 2008 3:54:56 GMT 1
Thanks for telling the story, Eric and Christian. That was a thing that has been puzzling me for a while. Chymos is just the candy brand, Muovo might be the actual manufacturer. But I'm not sure since I haven't found substantial info on the 1/87 scale models yet. The bigger models in 1/60 and 1/50 were manufactured by Muovo, so it is likely that they also made the smaller ones. But I still have a little doubt, they might have come from a different source. The Buggy666 connection was very obvious only a few days ago when I posted the link. Some of the models were actually labeled as Buggy666, the finishing and the pictures were of the same quality. Check these links and you will see: tinyurl.com/6bl9jhtinyurl.com/6fkjz5tinyurl.com/5rkk56tinyurl.com/6lug28tinyurl.com/6no6vpAlso, models like the Chevette, Opala and the Maverick have appeared in several auctions from the seller Buggy666 on Mercadolivre over the last few months, the list on the main site is probably a bit outdated. I think Dumont Parts is the name that the modeler has actually chosen for his offerings, Buggy666 was more or less just his "eBay monicker".
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Post by skunk on Nov 10, 2008 5:05:13 GMT 1
I have tried to buy several models from buggy666, but never got anything. We e-mailed a lot, but he speaks much less english than I do portuguese (which is very little) and eventually it just got too tiresome to go on.
A sign of how comprehensive and unique your list is, is that whenever I search for anything obscure, 87thscale.info is almost unvariably the first result I get.
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