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Post by Eric on Nov 21, 2008 23:23:51 GMT 1
Cor,
in your deleted post you made quite a statement about stealing. I must ask you to be careful with such statements. Unless you back them up of course.
Eric
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Post by Cor_DutchArt on Nov 22, 2008 1:11:38 GMT 1
Yes, I know that Peter wouldn't do that. I've send him my posting as PB just to inform him!
My first reaction was because it had a large impact on me. I didn't do anything for years because of that. Also no other modelling. Lately im trïng to come back and restarted producing and development of new models. Actually, Peters models stimulated me to do that!
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Post by cfesmire on Nov 22, 2008 1:51:56 GMT 1
What a diverse selection of vehicles you've chosen Peter. Fantastic. And the Scania reduction looks flawless.
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Post by only87 on Nov 22, 2008 4:51:41 GMT 1
I missed the initial post from Cor but from his PM I think I got its basic direction and intention. I think rip-offs are a sad thing and from what I know and heard Cor has every right to be angry about the mentioned case. But I would also say the story is old enough to let bygones be bygones and that such things shouldn't spoil the whole fun of the hobby.
Regarding Hydroshrink etc. I would say that the reductions are also rip-offs. What lets me sleep tight at night is that there is no harm done. I see the reduction of a model as an appreciation of the initial model. If there is a perfect model on the market, I see no point of building another master model from scratch that can only be as good as the other but in no case be a better model. If the model isn't perfect, there's room for improvement. If you improve a model, it's no straight rip-off any more. In my philosophy, I'm not trying to make things easier for me by ripping-off others work and to present it as my own. I'm trying to make the best models that are possible for me by using all the techniques, abilities and sources I can afford.
The Scania white metal kit is from Heavy Goods from the UK and is scaled at 1/50. It's a beautiful kit, really beautiful, so I tried to reduce all the detail that I can. You can still read the little "Super" sign on the grille on my reduction, these are the things that I am proud of when reducing a model.
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Post by skunk on Nov 22, 2008 7:38:56 GMT 1
Keep on reducing.
I was looking carefully at the Scania and admiring just how clean the cab is, and how well all of the small detailry came across. I assume Hydroshrink since it was from 1:50, but I know you like doing several runs with the lighter fluid.
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Post by Cor_DutchArt on Nov 22, 2008 12:15:18 GMT 1
I agree that your model looks great! No, one can say this is a rip-off because it isn't. Not just that it is another scale. I've got many reactions about your models that they are so well detailed!
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Post by cfesmire on Nov 22, 2008 18:19:27 GMT 1
You could very well present just a resin blob that only closely resembles the model but have taken great pains to be accurate in both scale and detail. This is a payment of homage to what is a fine larger scale model and not a rip off. Sleep well in the knowledge you have done a great job that few can.
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Post by Cor_DutchArt on Nov 23, 2008 1:31:33 GMT 1
Well Peter, A small wish-list... DAF 2000 DO DAF 2600 (If you want to do this, I have a model ready for you!) I'm scared to produce it myself, because I've got a lot of other things to do. Citroën TA Truck
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Post by only87 on Nov 23, 2008 3:18:29 GMT 1
I don't really need new projects, I think I got enough for the next two years. Here's an excerpt for my truck cabs in progress: These are 20 models from 4 nations. I got a few other nations covered, too. And some cars, vans, pickups, jeeps, parts, transkits... all in all, it's a lot. I could probably finish each in a week-end or two. But good models are like good wine... Then again, I have built complete models in a week-end. Building the FTF took only a few hours once I had the GUY to convert it from. The Scammell Crusader in the pic is two hours work from there. Another two or three hours in the right mood and it should be ready. I got plans for the DAFs, but they're still in my head and they're probably gonna stay there for a while, I have so many other plans and a very lng to-do list. What is a Citroen TA truck? A Traction Avant with a stake bed? I can not really imagine making such a model.
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Post by skunk on Nov 23, 2008 7:53:26 GMT 1
I could probably finish each in a week-end or two. But good models are like good wine... Well, I just had a 1968 Mastroberardino Taurasi (yes, it was out of this world), but I hope that finishing all of those Japanese trucks wont require 40 years. Thanks for the picture, that was very interesting. It's very nice, and ballsy, of you to give away some of what's up your sleeve. Looks like a well-planned future, do you have any 87rpm stocks available? I'll trade you some GM shares, one for one. And I would like to restate my standing order for two each of the Showa era Japanese trucks. Can't wait for that '85 Toyota Dyna!
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Post by hofan on Nov 23, 2008 11:01:45 GMT 1
Hello: It is certainly an impressive photo/list of what to expect from you trucks wise and I only wish if there is another one that you can reveal for normal cars( PKWs). Regards
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Post by Alan on Nov 23, 2008 11:39:35 GMT 1
Oh, fantastic! I really like the way you are catering for us brits! I especially like the Seddon Atkinson 401 as my Father used to drive them for the US Air Force. Is the cab shrunk from a 1/76 Langley kit? I have one that Iwas going to use as a basis for a 1/87th version. Looks like you beat me to it!
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Post by only87 on Nov 23, 2008 18:42:06 GMT 1
Yes, that is the Langley one. It makes a great start, but some of the body lines have to be smoothened and straightened out to make a really good one. Also, the roof structure is a bit unsatisfying. It's tough to find pics for the roof where you can actually see something as you brits weren't considering a lorry a lorry unless it had a big sign on the top saying to whom it belonged. The cab has therefore been sitting untouched for about a year and a half now and I have been gathering info and most of all pictures. I think I've got it covered now, but if you have good, revealing pics they could still help. Btw, was that a RHD or a LHD model your father drove? I don't think I've ever seen a LHD 401. Håkan, I said good wine, not exquisite. And some of the cabs already have some time on them. Most of the British stuff I started years ago. The problem was mainly picture material for the details, but the British are getting chatty these days and reveal a lot of old pics found in the cellar. Here's a very interesting forum, the blokes are focussing on the days of the middle east run, lots of great pics and stories, one of my favorite topics when it comes to trucking: trucknetuk.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=35If you don't know what the middle east run is, "Destination Doha" is a great introduction, a BBC production aired in 1977: www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ04eXwiE0k
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Post by ponyman on Nov 23, 2008 20:21:34 GMT 1
Nice projects. Ialso hope the Japanese cabs aren't to far down the pipeline.
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Post by Cor_DutchArt on Nov 23, 2008 21:52:25 GMT 1
Special the Fiat, Pegaso and British models for me Peter! I'll try to find a real good picture of the Citroën that I ment!
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